Hi,

I'm trying to write an equivalent to the hasAttribute method that will
work with IE 6 and 7. IE 8 finally has this method built in.

There is supposed to be a way to do this using the 'specified'
property of the attribute, but it doesn't always work.

For instance, consider the following code:

function test() {
var intest = document.getElementById('in_test');
alert(intest.getAttribute('type') + " " +
intest.attributes['type'].specified + " " + intest.type);
}

....

<input id='in_test' type="text"></input>
....

Calling test() alerts "text false text"

I think this is because IE 6/7 confuses user-defined attributes and
its own DOM properties. Although, since both say that type is equal
to "text", I have no idea why I'm getting false here.

In other cases, IE requires odd workarounds. Like, you set the
className instead of class attribute to set the class attribute. Is
there something similar going on here? I tried 'typeName' but that
didnt' work. If that's the problem, does anyone know where I can find
a comprehensive list of all such name changes?

Or, just in general, a reasonable way to tell if the user has
specified an attribute.

Thanks,
Jeff

Jeff Bigham wrote:

I'm trying to write an equivalent to the hasAttribute method that will
work with IE 6 and 7. IE 8 finally has this method built in.

Iff it is ever released.

There is supposed to be a way to do this using the 'specified'
property of the attribute, but it doesn't always work.
>
For instance, consider the following code:
>
function test() {
var intest = document.getElementById('in_test');
alert(intest.getAttribute('type') + " " +
intest.attributes['type'].specified + " " + intest.type);
}
>
...
>
<input id='in_test' type="text"></input>

This is not Valid HTML (and MSHTML does not support XHTML to date). Since
the content model of the INPUT element is EMPTY, the O(mit) flag for the end
tag means it is *forbidden*:

<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#h-3.3.3>
<http://validator.w3.org/>

...
>
Calling test() alerts "text false text"
>
I think this is because IE 6/7 confuses user-defined attributes and
its own DOM properties. Although, since both say that type is equal
to "text", I have no idea why I'm getting false here.

One wonders instead how you can be getting anything at all in IE 6/7. The
`attributes' property is documented to be supported not before IE 8 beta:

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc304094(VS.85).aspx>

In other cases, IE requires odd workarounds. Like, you set the
className instead of class attribute to set the class attribute.

That is not really a workaround, though; `className' is a specified property
of HTML element objects and is supported by several other DOM
implementations as well:

<http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-95362176>

The (known) issue is certainly in MSHTML's setAttribute(), however calling
setAttribute() is seldom necessary.

Is there something similar going on here? I tried 'typeName' but that
didnt' work.

So copy-and-pray is not a successful coding strategy? Tell us something new.

If that's the problem, does anyone know where I can find
a comprehensive list of all such name changes?

"Name changes"? RTFM.

Or, just in general, a reasonable way to tell if the user has
specified an attribute.

Given that all valid HTML attributes have corresponding attribute properties
in all known DOMs (CMIIW), it would be sufficient to test whether the
property value equals the specified or implemented initial value or not.

However, if you really need to know if the attribute was specified, use
getAttribute(). WFM.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms536429(VS.85).aspx>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms761380(VS.85).aspx>


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On Sep 4, 6:29*pm, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedE...@web.de>
wrote:

Jeff Bigham wrote:

>
Iff it is ever released.
>

>

>

>

>

>
This is not Valid HTML (and MSHTML does not support XHTML to date). *Since
the content model of the INPUT element is EMPTY, the O(mit) flag for the end
tag means it is *forbidden*:
>
<http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/intro/sgmltut.html#h-3.3.3>
<http://validator.w3.org/>
>

>

>

>
One wonders instead how you can be getting anything at all in IE 6/7. *The
`attributes' property is documented to be supported not before IE 8 beta:
>
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc304094(VS.85).aspx>
>

>
That is not really a workaround, though; `className' is a specified property
of HTML element objects and is supported by several other DOM
implementations as well:
>
<http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-HTML/html.html#ID-95362176>
>
The (known) issue is certainly in MSHTML's setAttribute(), however calling
setAttribute() is seldom necessary.
>

>
So copy-and-pray is not a successful coding strategy? *Tell us something new.
>

>
"Name changes"? *RTFM.
>

>
Given that all valid HTML attributes have corresponding attribute properties
in all known DOMs (CMIIW), it would be sufficient to test whether the
property value equals the specified or implemented initial value or not.
>
However, if you really need to know if the attribute was specified, use
getAttribute(). *WFM.

In IE, the getAttribute method is broken (as designed) just like
setAttribute (same as reading/writing properties.)

I believe there is a way to determine specified attributes in IE, but
as noted, it is rarely useful. See my has/get/set/Attribute wrappers.

David Mark wrote:

[...] Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn [...] wrote:

>
In IE, the getAttribute method is broken (as designed) just like
setAttribute (same as reading/writing properties.)

My admittedly non-exhaustive tests did not confirm that for the MSHTML DOM
or the MSXML DOM, though. Please elaborate.


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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

David Mark wrote:

>
My admittedly non-exhaustive tests did not confirm that for the
MSHTML DOM or the MSXML DOM, though. Please elaborate.

The DOM Core - getAttribute - method is supposed to always return a
string, yet with:-

<html>
<head>
<title></title>
<script type+"text/javascript">
window.onload = function(){
var el = document.getElementById('test');
alert('onclick = '+(typeof el.getAttribute('onclick')));
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<input type="button"
value="Test"
onclick="alert('intrinsic event code');"
id="test"

>

</body>
</html>

- the onload alert shows 'function' not 'string', which is certainly
wrong.

Similarly:-

<html>
<head>
<title></title>
<script type+"text/javascript">
window.onload = function(){
var el = document.getElementById('test');
alert('checked = '+(typeof el.getAttribute('checked')));
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<input type="checkbox"
checked
id="test"

>

</body>
</html>

- shows 'boolean' for the checked attribute.

Richard.

Richard Cornford wrote:

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>
The DOM Core - getAttribute - method is supposed to always return a
string, [...]

You are correct, but that does not matter as it was already established that
the MSHTML DOM and the MSXML DOM define that method differently ("broken as
designed", if you will).

Therefore, the proof I implicitly asked for is a case where either the
element has the attribute specified and the return value is `null', or where
it does not have the attribute specified and the return value is not `null',
*in the MSHTML 6/7 DOM or the MSXML (3) DOM*.

Thanks for your examples, though. They show that what was defined is close
to what was implemented (the MSDN Library does not mention a Function object
reference as possible return value, for example).


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